Tuesday, February 28, 2023

Hot Hero Sandwich — On the Flip Side! Hot Hero Band Interviews

by G. Jack Urso 

“I weep in joy! I watched this every Saturday and i still think it was one of the best theme songs I have ever heard. I started playing guitar around this time and the theme song was such an inspiration. Once they had a band on there, probably a house band, playing a version of "Get Together" that really inspired me. I recall they were playing Dean guitars which I lusted for at the time.”

@999manman (posted 2008)

“OMG, 1979. I was only 9 years old at the time, but this stuck in my head forever. I thought I would NEVER see this again, just like so many good things from back then just disappeared, never to be seen or heard again. I wish this show could have survived all the way through the 80's-- that would have been so cool to grow up with. Thank you SO MUCH for posting this and bringing back a good piece of my childhood. If this EVER comes out on DVD, I'll be first in line to get my copy.”

@phenixxfire1 (posted 2011)

“So, I was 12 when this show aired, and I can't even begin to express how unbelievably exciting it was to see an actual band on Saturday mornings. I've had this version of "Get Together" in my head for nearly 40 years and I'm thrilled to find this and realize that it really as great as I had recalled. 

@stanleycullerculler1658 (posted 2019)

“This show absolutely rocked my world as a kid! I was obsessed with guitars and playing in a rock band. I was glued to the television set every Saturday just to see what awesome guitars they were playing and so badly wanted a Dean Z and a Marshall half stack! Lol! Brings back so many great memories growing up in that era.”

@christopherzarlenga7875 (posted 2021) 

Hot Hero Band caricatures (Sherry Coben, 1979).
Top row (L-R): Richie Annunizato and Mark Cunningham.
Bottom Row (L-R): Robert Brissette and Mike Ratti 
The above sampling of fan comments from social media posts of musical clips from Hot Hero Sandwich exemplifies the enduring passion that fans still have for the show so many years later. As I read them, I have to remind myself these aren’t teenagers. Even the youngest HHS fan would be in their 50s by now. That the show clicked with them and remained a memory for so long is a testament to the show, its creators, and its performers. Considering that the show only lasted ten episodes, was never syndicated or released on video, and saw no merchandizing, it is a remarkable testament.

Yet, with all due respect to the sketches, animated shorts, in-depth celebrity interviews, and short subject films, ask anyone who remembers Hot Hero Sandwich and invariably the first response will be something along the lines of, “Oh yeah — Awesome band!”

That's not a reflection on the rest of the show, but in the absence of VHS and DVD releases of the series it is understandable that the — literally  loudest voice in the room still echoes four decades later, especially to its teen audience.

In creating “edutainment” with teen appeal, a key ingredient is the music, and here the Harts knew exactly what they were doing. Instead of picking some slick TV soundtrack producer and studio musicians, they instead choose actual rock and rollers who were tapped into the youth culture of the time. Indeed, the Hot Hero band members looked like they were our only slightly older brothers — making the appeal all that much more exciting and accessible. We felt like we were being spoken to by one of our own.

The band’s producer, Felix Pappalardi (right), is a legendary Classic Rock performer and producer who left an indelible on the industry through his work with Mountain (sharing co-lead vocals on “Mississippi Queen”) and producing albums with Cream (co-writing “Strange Brew” with his wife Gail) and the Youngbloods’ first album, Get Together. Pappalardi passed away in 1983 after being shot by his wife.

In this section of The Hot Hero Sandwich Project, members of the Hot Hero Band share their thoughts on how the band came together, how the songs were produced, a behind-the-scenes look at all the action, and what they have been up to since the show went off the air.

While working in radio, I interviewed a number of celebrities from the acting and music industries and I admit to being a bit anxious speaking to my childhood rock idols, but I needn't have worried. They were friendly and welcomed the opportunity to share their experiences on the show. I'm sure it would please Bruce and Carol Hart to know how those on show are still graciously treating their teenage fans — no matter how old we all get. 
Bookmark this page for more Hot Hero Band interviews in the near future!

(Left to right) Robert Brisstte, Mike Ratti, and Richie Annunziato, May 2023
(photo courtesy Mike Ratti).
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The Hot Hero Band — On the Flip Side with Bassist Robert Brissette

by G. Jack Urso

Robert Brissette center stage at Studio 8H with the Hot Hero Band (Summer 1979).
Hey, Mr. Bass Man!
       Photo courtesy R. Brissette.
Robert Brissette (left) was the bassist for the Hot Hero Band and is the lead vocalist on the theme song. I reached out to him and, much to my delight, he agreed to an interview! While I’m not sure Brissette would consider himself a celebrity, the Hot Hero Band has been living rent-free in my head with that theme song for 43 years, so I admit to having some nerves. Not only had Brissette been in the HHB, he also toured and recorded with Columbia Records’ artist Rex Smith and has performed with artists such as Ronnie Spector, hit songwriter Martin Briley, as well as members of Aerosmith, Foreigner, and the Rolling Stones. 

Well, I shouldn’t have been anxious. When we spoke on the phone, Brissette’s friendly, funny, and relaxed style immediately put me at ease. Having worked in radio, I interviewed my share of TV, film, and music personalities, so I tried not to act like a fan, but probably did, and Brissette was gracious throughout it all. He later followed up with written responses to my many questions about the band, the show, the music, and his career before, during, and after Hot Hero Sandwich.

Here, Brissette gives us insight into how the band was formed, the theme song arranged, and various production details the band was involved in, as well aa sharing some photos from his career.  Brissette continued his career in the music industry after Hot Hero Sandwich, segueing into a long career in entertainment marketing. More recently, Brissette has used his marketing savvy in real estate for Berkshire Hathaway HomeServices, where he was one of the company’s top 16 percent salespeople for 2022. We also get to hear about the Hot Hero Band’s post-HHS incarnation as the NYC-area band 212 and what else Brissette is up to today.

Not that I am any qualified music critic, but I did play bass back in my younger days — and admittedly more for the social opportunities than for any inherent musical talent. While digging through the various music clips, I can’t help but be amazed with Brissette’s fret work. His fingers dance effortlessly through the scales, though anyone who’s ever played knows it takes a combination of strength, dexterity, some pretty calloused fingertips, and countless hours of practice, to lay down those tracks and stay solid on every beat. After listening to Brissette, one can hear his influences from such Classic Rock bassists like Chris Squire and John Entwistle, which he discusses in the interview below.

Well, Hot Hero Band fans, this has been a long time coming, so let’s check in with Robert Brissette — the bass man of the Hot Hero Band!

Note: Information provided in brackets are editorial notes included to provide context for some of the references.



Ae13U: When did you start playing the bass? Was that your first instrument? What other instruments do you play (in addition to singing)? Which bassists would you consider most influential on your playing?

Robert Brissette: My first instrument was the ukelele, from there I transitioned to the six-string guitar and took up playing bass following that. Early influences were Paul McCartney and Motown bassist James Jamerson; they still are. Later on, I took to listening to John Paul Jones, Greg Lake, Chris Squire, John Entwistle and whoever played with James Brown.

Ae13U: What sort of work had you done before Hot Hero Sandwich? In a post online, you noted your second job after college was “producing country music talent contests and concerts out of NYC.” Was that where you saw your career going at the time, into producing, promotion, and the marketing side of the industry?

Robert Brissette: I played music professionally for many years, and moved from Atlanta to New York City to do just that. I have a bachelor's degree in marketing and transitioned to that side of the music/entertainment industry. It was the most logical choice for putting my experience as a musician together with my training in marketing.

Ae13U: How did you get hooked up with the Hot Hero Band?  Did you audition individually or with the other guys as a group? What was the selection process like? Did Felix Pappalardi have a hand in it?

Robert Brissette: The HHS band came together following the movie Sooner or Later, [aired March 25, 1979 on NBC] which Bruce and Carol Hart played a major role in producing/directing. Rex Smith was the star of the movie. NBC subsequently asked Bruce/Carol to develop a show for 'tweens, and an in-house band was needed. Mark Cunningham played guitar in the movie and was tapped to put a band together. I met Mark through Rex. He had a really good guitar player Richie Annunziato [ed. note: a.k.a. also professionally credited as Rich Steele] and I knew renowned drummer Mike Ratti from my days with Rex. It jelled quickly without too much fanfare; Felix had no involvement.

"Let it fly in the breeze and get caught in trees” (Hair): Rex Smith and Robert Brissette (right to left) in the 1970s Atlanta-Area band Mandala (photo courtesy Robert Brissette).
Ae13U: While Felix Pappalardi’s role with Hot Hero is noted in various sources, as a band member I’d like to get your thoughts about this influential classic rock musician and producer. For people who are not quite familiar with what a music producer does, what was Pappalardi’s role in this capacity with the band?

Robert Brissette: A producer's role is to manage the creative process, studio recording, song selection, arrangements, mixing process and bring in outside players as the song/session dictates. Felix was a seminal producer from his innovative work with Cream and The Youngbloods (Get Together). For HHS, he directed us in the studio and wrote/co-wrote some of the 'bumpers' and interstitial pieces/underscoring that you hear throughout the show.

Ae13U: Considering Felix’s work in classic rock, a children’s television series seem like an unusual choice. Did he share with you his thoughts about doing the show?

Robert Brissette: Felix was a classically trained multi-instrumentalist who understood music outside of the traditional rock genre. He had the perspective and musical maturity, if you will, to handle something like HHS. A bit of an unorthodox choice, but he had earned our respect, and the chemistry was really great, which counted for a lot.

Ae13U: Did you hear or see much of Felix after the HHS ended and prior to his unfortunate early passing?

Robert Brissette: I saw Felix intermittently following HHS. He produced a band I put together in NYC and was working with us at the time of his demise.

In Production

Ae13U: How did the soundtrack theme come about?

Robert Brissette: The HHS theme song was given to us on a cassette. It was nothing more than a middle-age guy (not Bruce Hart) at a piano singing the melody and lyrics with a discernible New York accent, at least to my ears. Very bare bones recording by any standard measure, but we knew what to do with it. We went to the rehearsal studio to begin fleshing it out. Mike started the drum figure - ideal for a television theme - then I added the bass line; Mark and Richie came in with the guitar parts. We added the vocal harmonies and Felix brought it all to life when we recorded it.

Ae13U: What were the weekly musical duties for the band on the show? In addition to the theme song, you did the bumpers and cues, and a weekly song, correct? Could you tell us a little bit more about these, especially the bumpers and cues?

Robert Brissette: The FCC mandated that shows pitched to young children/'tweens needed 'bumpers' before and after commercial breaks to let them know the program content was stopping and the commercial content was beginning. There was a voiceover the drive the point home. “...Hot Hero Sandwich will be right back following these commercial messages...”. On the return, “Now, back to Hot Hero Sandwich.” The bumpers and other pieces had to be exactly in sync with the video it supported. If we needed a 3.7 second music figure, for example, Felix would often write it, time it and emphatically direct us when to start/stop. They were thematically/melodically linked to the show or a particular episode. It was quite an education to record with such precision.

Bumpers for Hot Hero Sandwich. Voiceovers by actress Barbara Feldon.

Ae13U: In regards to composing and arranging the music for the bumpers, cues, and other music, who was responsible, Felix, Bruce Hart, the Hot Hero Band, a combination of all three?

Robert Brissette: Felix had the lion's share of composing the pieces, but I'm sure Bruce Hart contributed as well. There was often a spontaneity to them, done on the spot at the studio.

A classic rock photo of two Classic Rockers, Robert Brissette (left) and Felix Pappalardi (right)
(courtesy of Robert Brissette).
Ae13U: You mentioned in our phone interview the band recorded on a Thursday. Did you rehearse in Rockefeller Center or elsewhere? When did the work week begin for you guys and what kind of hours did you work?

Robert Brissette: We did the bulk of the recording at RPM Studio in Greenwich Village. We generally got there at 4:00 pm in the afternoon and left at 6:00 am in the morning. We recorded all music and whatever song was to be featured on that week's episode. Shows were taped at Rockefeller Center in Studio 8-H, where SNL is still taped. We might record on a Tuesday and tape the show on a Thursday.

Ae13U: The band was tight and there seems like great energy between you guys. Did you know each other at all before the show?

Robert Brissette: We were a very tight, very close foursome. I did not know Mark Cunningham too well or Richie Annunziata at all prior to the show. Mike and I were very close pals. We often said our jokes, routines, one-liners and ongoing repartee was much more entertaining than anything on TV at the time.

Ae13U: Sherry Coben and Pat McMahon noted the band really didn’t get a lot of takes when recording, maybe one or two, yet, from the clips I have seen, there seems to be great coordination between the band and the cameras. I’m guessing the NBC crew probably had a lot of experience shooting live music, but was there a lot of staging that went on before each take?

Robert Brissette: At Rockefeller Center, we got two, maybe three takes, all in front of an audience of young kids assembled for the taping. We went to the makeup room, as does anyone who appears on TV, to get the proper skin tone for the cameras. Between takes, one of the women would come out and touch up spots she felt needed freshening. The camera crew were all veteran guys with years of experience and great stories of their own.

Ae13U: What was your instrument set-up for Hot Hero? What kind of bass did you use, effects pedals, speakers, etc., did you prefer?

Robert Brissette: I played a Rickenbacker 4001 bass for most of the shows, along with candy-apple red Fender Precision bass. No effects or enhancements. We played to the track we had recorded two days earlier. Amps were really just visual props for effect.
Caricature of Brissette by Hot Hero Sandwich writer Sherry Coben that hung on the halls backstage at Studio 8H along with those of other band members in the Summer of 1979.

Ae13U: Based on the clips available online, you take center stage and took the lead on many of the vocals. Were say you were the Hot Hero Band “front man,” so to speak? Did Felix decide that or did it more naturally evolve?

Robert Brissette: I never considered myself the front man; it simply evolved that I sang a lot of the songs.

Ae13U: For a little historical perspective for audiophiles, what kind of multi-track recording equipment did the studio use? At the time, as far as I understand, up to 32-track recording equipment was available using 2-inch tape. What was used at the studio you recorded at?

Robert Brissette: I'm not an audiophile, so I cannot accurately weigh in on that. Our engineer was a very accomplished guy in his own right, Ed Stasium, who was a magician at the board [ed. note: see edstasium.com for more information]. Richie could probably speak to this much more than I can. It was two-inch tape.

Ae13U: Did any of the musical quests perform “live” or was that just too complicated and time consuming for the show’s production constraints?

Robert Brissette: All musical guests played to track, i.e., lip synced. A live-music production would have been nearly impossible, and the best way to ensure a quality sound was to have the song in the can and have performers go through the motions.

Keith Richards, Robert Brissette, and Ron Wood during Brissette’s post-Hot Hero career.

Post-Production Notes

Ae13U: After Hot Hero, the band stuck together as 212 [ed. note: pronounced “two-one-two”] and performed in the NYC/New Jersey area. How long did you perform together? Where there any other band members besides the original four during this time? Did you keep the same sound as 212 as you did as the HHB, or freed from network constraints, how did your music evolve? Did you perform covers or originals and any recordings as 212?

Robert Brissette: The 212 band played shows in the greater New York area. A lot of people knew us from HHS; there were no other players than us. We played original tunes and maybe performed “Get Together,” the well-known Youngblood's song that Felix actually produced, every now and then. Our original stuff came from the various influences we all had. The song “Promises,” which we performed on Show #6 if I recall, was written by Mark Cunningham and a singer he worked with prior to HHS. Not sure whether I could get my hands on any of our recordings.

The Hot Hero Band performing “Get Together.”

Ae13U: Did Felix Pappalardi have any involvement with 212, or was his involvement just with the show?

Robert Brissette: Felix's involvement was confined to the show. I believe he came to see us from time to time in NYC.

Ae13U:  NYC in the late 70s and early 80s was an exciting time to be young and in a band. Can you give us a peek behind the curtain and discuss some of the band and venues 212 ran across at that time?

Robert Brissette: We played a number of the big rock clubs in the area - Tramps, Gildersleeves, The Ritz and various outdoor venues as well. We ran into bands like Foreigner, Aerosmith, Eddie Money, Joe Jackson, Little River Band, Joan Jett and others [ed. note: Eddie Money, Joe Jackson, and the Little River Band, also played on HHS].

Ae13U: Any idea who might still have the rights or the master tapes to all those Hot Hero Band recordings? I know there is a company [Retro Video Inc.] that sells footage from Hot Hero Sandwich (and many other series) including the musical performances, but I’m guessing NBC still owns all those rights. Can you give any insight into all this?

Robert Brissette: With respect to the rights to the shows, NBC would own the exclusive rights to the video content. Any music performed on the show would be part of a separate copyright/licensing arrangement as dictated by the label that owns the master recording.

Robert Brissette (center) also played in a band that featured model and 1979 Penthouse Pet of the Year Cheryl Rixon (left) (photo courtesy Brissette).

Ae13U: In an article you posted online, you noted you worked in the entertainment marketing for many years. Can you tell us a little bit about what you did, who you worked for, and who you worked with?

Robert Brissette: EMCI/Rockbill was the premier entertainment market company in the US, and we worked with Fortune 500 clients and top-name artists putting strategic alliances together, including Sprint/Rolling Stones; Discover Card/Ringo Starr; Honda Scooters/Sting; Sears/Phil Collins; Gitano/Shania Twain; Pepsi/Michael Jackson, Rod Stewart, Tina Turner, Lionel Richie and many others. I was VP Event Marketing and helped sell-in and activate the deals we negotiated. I traveled on most of the tours and met artists and clients alike on a regular basis.

Ae13U: You’re still active in the music scene in the New York City area with the band, Twist Of Fate. Can you tell us a little about that? How long have you been involved and how would you describe the band’s sound?

Robert Brissette: I have played in a very popular band, Twist Of Fate, for nearly sixteen years. We have a big following in Westchester County, our home base, and pride ourselves on our repertoire and lively presentation. We rehearse weekly, play often and have over 150 songs on our list. Band has guitar, bass, drums, steel drums, fiddle/violin and sax. By virtue of that atypical configuration, we have a sound that no other band has. Twist Of Fate has a Facebook page and a website: www.twistoffatemusic.com.

A very special thanks to Robert Brissette on behalf of all Hot Hero Sandwich fans for his gracious participation in this effort to document the series and give us a backstage pass look for the Hot Hero Band. There will be more interviews with other Hot Hero Band members, so stay tuned!

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Monday, February 27, 2023

Hot Hero Sandwich Clip Job! Hot Hero Band Performances

by G. Jack Urso

Video clips of performances by the Hot Hero Band featured here give a good sampling of the band’s high-energy rock and the show's messaging to youth. The theme song, “Get Together, “Last Night,” “Promises,” and “Show Your Love,” feature the band, while they back Andy Breckman on “Tommy Two” and make an appearance at the Hot Hero Café. 

About the band itself, series producer Bruce Hart in a Nov. 24, 1979, Record World article, reported, “We're not using the band specifically to break them. We were looking for a good young music act whose material would fit thematically while serving as audience identification models.”

Hot Hero Band producer Felix Pappalardi (bassist for Mountain), in the same article, revealed that due to all the neon on stage a loud hum was created when the amplifiers were turned on; consequently, the performances were lip-synced, though it does appear that vocally the singers were still belting it out and the musicians hit their notes on target and on time.

Pappalardi, in the Record World article, also hinted at possible future Hot Hero Band projects, which, unfortunately, never came to pass. “Bruce, Carole and I have definitely talked about cast, theme or band albums for the future and I can't wait to do a Hot Hero record but there are no plans at the moment.

Sigh . . . what could have been. 

“Hot Hero Sandwich Theme Song”
Music by Stephen Lawrence and lyrics by Bruce Hart. The theme song frames just surviving the awkward and confusing teen years as a heroic effort in itself. A catchy earworm if ever there was one, memories of the theme song helped to sustain the show’s memory until the Internet came along.

“Get Together”
This is the Hot Hero Band’s cover of The Youngbloods hit song produced by Felix Pappalardi who also produced for the Hot Hero Band. This tune would turned up in their play lists in their later incarnation as 212.

“Last Night”

A power ballad, “Last Night” deals with the break-up between two young people, with the singer expressing feelings of betrayal, though recalling the good times they shared together. These contradictory feelings are a perennial adolescent theme, and the honesty in feeling hurt, but acknowledging not all of it was bad, promotes the healthy psychological coping mechanisms the show promoted.

Richie Annunziato takes the lead vocals and officially became a Rock God to fans for pulling out the twin-arm axe in this song. Mark Cunningham’s sweet burning solo keeps the pace going without taking it over, and the band’s vocal harmonies in the chorus are spot-on perfect.


Robert Brissette takes the lead vocals in this song about another young couple with the singer reflecting on his partner’s doubts about his “promises” to her, though his promises are all he can give. As with “Last Night” it is typical of the show's effort to connect themes to performances. Mark and Richie trade dueling leads towards the end.

“Show Your Love”

Along with “Last Night” and “Promises,” “Show You Love,” continues to explore teens dealing with the awkward feelings of love. Lamenting about learning lessons about love “a little bit too late after love has gone,” the song’s affirmation, “You got to show your love to the ones you love,” keeps the messaging positive and, like “Last Night,” promotes a healthy response to a problem of the heart. Nice bit here with Mark and Richie working the crowd to keep the energy and audience interaction going. 

Shooting schedule for August 14, 1979, from the Hot Hero Sandwich archives.

With Andy Breckman

The Hot Hero Band shift gears to back up writer and resident Puberty Fairy Andy Breckman in three featured songs, “My Friend Bernie,” “Tommy Two,” and the show finale “Here We Come and There We Go” (see links for separate articles). 

“My Friend Bernie”

“Tommy Two”

“Here We Come and There We Go.”

“Captain Hero Theme”

This fun little theme is one of my favorites on the show. A strong melody with a good rock hook and humorous lyrics, I wouldn’t mind getting a second verse after all these years!

“Hot Hero Café Sketch”
The Hot Hero band makes a stop at the Hot Hero café. 


Friday, February 24, 2023

The Hot Hero Sandwich Project

by G. Jack Urso 

Title card shot from the show.

The Hot Hero Sandwich Project is an effort to historically document the innovative children’s television show, Hot Hero Sandwich, which ran from 1979-1980 on NBC and produced by Bruce and Carole Hart, both of whom helped develop material for the first season of Sesame Street. Bruce Hart, in fact, co-wrote the Sesame Street theme and Carole wrote some early episodes. Both Harts were involved with Marlo Thomas’ noted children's entertainment TV special Free to Be . . . You and Me (1972) and together wrote, with Bruce directing, actor/rocker Rex Smith’s 1979 film Sooner or Later (Smith also performed on episode 10 of Hot Hero Sandwich).

Often described as Saturday Night Live for teens, the show was a mix of sketches, short films, animation, celebrity interviews, musical guests, and of course the awesome in-house Hot Hero Band. Despite running for just eleven episodes, the show struck a nerve with its fans who, for the past four decades, have quietly kept the show alive with social media and sharing the precious few clips still available from the show.

With the gracious assistance of some of the former members of the show, I have put together a behind-the-scenes look with interviews, the first complete episode guide, never before seen photos, video clips, and much more. Not just to document the show, but also to preserve it as a case study for those in education and entertainment looking for new ways of reaching a difficult demographic with positive and inspirational programming that addresses the issues teens deal with using multimedia integrated with a common theme.

Below is a list of the current articles detailing the show. More articles are coming so STAY TUNED! 

Hot Hero Sandwich: A Historical Retrospective of the 1979-1980 Innovative Children’s Television Show

A Second Serving! 
What’s the series about? Dig into these articles and interviews and find out!

Original series' production documents and primary source materials provide a unique and rare behind-the-scenes look at the show. 

A variety of posts on different aspects of the series.

Clip Jobs!
Collections of related video segments from the series.


In Conversation With . . .
Interviews with key individuals providing a behind-the-scenes look at the series and the industry.


On the Flip Side with the Hot Hero Band
Learn more about the guys behind the classic rock sound of the show!


Off-Script with the Writers
Working closely with Bruce and Carole Hart, the writers were tasked with interpreting their vision for the teen audience.

Off- Stage with the Cast Members
These interviews with the actors lay out the low-down on our favorite characters and sketches and provide insight into the industry. 

Short Takes
These brief profiles turn the spotlight on those who worked behind the camera!

YouTube Channel

Bookmark the project's web address: www.HotHeroSandwich.com.
For media and other inquiries, please email HotHeroSandwich@outlook.com.

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